Full Interview with Jeff & Tessa Evason! World-Renowned Mentalist Duo

Full Interview with Jeff & Tessa Evason! World-Renowned Mentalist Duo

Updated: Jul 25

Today, we're sitting in on a conversation with world-renowned Mentalist Duo, The Evasons! Graeme Reed recently connected with Jeff and Tessa Evason to talk about Black Lives Matter, mentalism, the new virtual performance landscape, and mentorship.


The Evasons have one of the most unique journeys in the world of magic. In this episode, Jeff and Tessa talk about racism and their personal experiences working, travelling and living as an interracial couple.


Jeff and Tessa also talk about their experiences with the new virtual landscape, their thoughts on the future and the importance of mentorship.


The secret to The Evason's success is no secret, they are incredibly hard workers. Their combined dedication to our art will have a lasting impact on future generations of magicians and mentalists to come.


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Audio Transcription for episode 59 with Jeff and Tessa Evason


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Cause we all know that before magic and mentalism, especially when you're younger, I mean, it help builds, children's confidence, and it really helps their minds in many different ways, artistically in science. So yeah, whenever you can get your community is probably the easiest and the strongest impact that you can teach us by mail. Everything was by letter. Tell me what to write a letter. I'd write a letter back. It was a month in between times that we correspond and that it became VHS tapes. Once we started doing it, he'd critique the VHS tape. I don't want people to feel like I'm coming here to hear Magic what's this all about? Can we get some Magic please? And I hope that everyone will just be patient with us and give us this opportunity, because I mean, if you know me, you know, but Jeff, and I do, you know, we got to understand you, you know, we help people and you can reach out to us. Please give us this opportunity, everybody. When you hear, just give everybody a few minutes, don't go turn off, stay tuned in because you'll find a way that you can help us. And it won't be as hard as you might be thinking.


Graeme Reed: Welcome to Magicians Talking Magic. My name is Graemazing that's real. And I left a full time career in TV broadcasting to pursue my childhood passion of being a real deal level seven wizard. And in this episode, this week in our interview series, we have two incredible guests. Brian and I are so excited to have them on the show this week, they are both two of our magical heroes, uh, and this interview, Oh my goodness. I told them I was going to take only about 20, 20 minutes. And we ended up going like almost over an hour. And I, then I talked to them even more after that. I appreciate how much time they gave to us in the podcast. There's so much information here. I'm not going to waste any more of your time. Here is my interview with Jeff and Tessa Evason


The Evason is, are husband and wife duo, and one of very few couples in history to master the amazing talent known as second sight. They have appeared in over 38 countries around the world. You've seen them on the international hit TV show, Penn and teller fool us plus late night. Magic touch with Michael Paul podcast listeners. The Evason is everybody here at The podcast. We do triple snaps. That's what we do as triple snaps. Oh, we'll, we'll do that. There you go. Thank you so much for joining in and sharing your time with us tonight. Oh, it's great to be.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Oh yeah. It's connected you, especially


Graeme Reed: Off the top. Big question is we are now in a new climate Magic obviously, cause we're


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Doing this interview like this. Um, how have you two been adapting to virtual? Mentalism very slowly. Um, we've done a couple of shows. We have another one, uh, in two days for tenants that Magic camp. So I suppose by the time this place that'll be, uh, in the past. Uh, but we've got a few shorter, uh, where it's been fundraisers or shows where we're part of a larger show. Uh, and it's perfect for that. We come in, we do 10, 15 minutes and it's fun. We walk away feeling like we've just sort of done a show. Uh, but we have yet to do a longer full show. They asked a few people, producers, if we would join up with them to do it, um, I guess it's here to stay and we're not fully committed yet to that. That's the direction we will go still hopeful that things will come back, uh, to somewhat the way they used to be. But by that point, I think maybe we'll be well into our sixties.


Graeme Reed: Oh, that sound that's. So that's so dark


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Run the Fest.


Graeme Reed: We were all smiling. I know we're trying to have as much fun with it as we can. I've used. So have you started, I know I've seen you do a couple versions


Jeff & Tessa Evason: And you've managed to, to transition the second site act pretty well into a virtual landscape, but have you started doing like learning specific tricks for virtual or adapting it at all? Or you're just trying to do what you can until, you know, the, uh, the nice thing is on the shorter 10, 15 minute shows that spots that we've been doing, when did a show, we can do what we normally do pretty much, because as, as everybody's come to learn that, you know, if you do a five minute spot, it can take a bit longer than that. So it's easy enough to transition that and we found ways to do it. So we still get that powerful impact is that's the key. That's what the issue is. I think for a lot of performance of Lisa found little ways to make it work. I think we have the events that we're two people and we're working on it.


We've been working on another piece that, uh, has not been in our regular show. Cause most of the things we do in our full one hour or average 15 minutes show at colleges, 45 minutes in corporate, a lot of that wouldn't translate to virtual without a lot of molding and manipulating of the effect. So we've had some things that have been on the shelf that we haven't been able to do yet. Haven't worked that into the show and we've done those a few times. So one particular piece we're very happy about and it's, I suppose it runs all about eight minutes at this point. So it's very attractive that people are doing things all the time and it's a little bit of a prediction. Uh, and, uh, yeah, we might do that to later this week. We'll see maybe attendance. We're not, uh, we're not sure yet what we're doing today is to go yeah.


Graeme Reed: Nice. Oh, wow. So then you might feature something totally brand new at Tannen's.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Well, you might, we just found out today that we have five minutes longer than we were originally told. So, uh, how do we, yeah, we're not sure.


Graeme Reed: And what a great opportunity to try something new, I guess, too, right?


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Yeah. Yeah, it is. And I, I, I think what's really exciting about this is that pressure because none of us have pressured that you have running two shows, you know, trying to make everything come together, perfectly the logistics, the new client, or that, the CG, everything. So this is the pressure. Suddenly you have to do five minutes more and what are you going to do in the virtual world? That's going to be successful. So I know, have you done a full shows virtual?


Graeme Reed: Yeah, I've done a couple of virtual shows, obviously not too many because now I'm working on the marketing of trying to promote these virtual shows. Right. We were talking about on the podcast this past week, actually that we think the virtual Magic show is one of the best entertainment options in a virtual sense. I mean, a musician can come on and play songs and that can be prerecorded.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Someone can come on and read a story book. But what we do is


Graeme Reed: Truly interactive and engaging because you, can't kind of like totally, pre-taped a Magic act you could, but the best way to get this


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Interactive is actually calling them people's names, you know, kind of commenting a little bit, where are they


Graeme Reed: Located? And everything is super fun. Um, but I've, I've really,


Jeff & Tessa Evason: We've been enjoying the virtual shows myself, I think you're right. I just had a discussion with Matt. about magic and mentalism versus other forms of entertainment. It seems like Magic and Magicians and mental lists are ruling the virtual show field. Um, I have been enjoying, uh, Neil Sedaka who's way before your time. He does these mini concerts from his living room and he takes requests and, Oh, that's cool. I'm really enjoying what he's been doing. And I just happened to see it. It's not like I scheduled my day around it, but if he's on Facebook and they're short little, little concerts, he does maybe three songs, uh, that is entertaining and uplifting, you know, just takes people away from their real world. It's quite effective.


Graeme Reed: Yeah. All the superstar. Have you, have you seen Mario the Magician on Facebook? Have you seen what he does


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Fantastic to your podcast the other night, uh, with, with Mario. Oh my gosh. Killing it


Graeme Reed: And kind of about kids and you kind of teased it up a little bit, that you will be at Tannen's this week. Um, this podcast might come out kind of simultaneously as all this happens. Um, this was, is this is the free virtual camp for kids right there from like 13 to 20, I guess. So teenagers.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Yeah. I'm not sure what the limit is. Maybe 20, there is an age limit that they're putting on it, hoping that people will comply. Uh, but what a fantastic opportunity, the fact that they're, uh, I wonder what they would do. We were invited to do the regular live Magic camp that we did last year for the first time. It was great. We loved it, thaws and response, and just, just watching all the kids and their fascination and their dedication and learning Magic was very inspiring, but it was cool to have that reversal because it's always, the mentors are older people trying to inspire us students, but they really inspired us, like find your tribe and force them very entertaining too. And it was a beautiful venue the way they did it up. Adam who owns tannins just made, I think he's involved in lighting. I think that's a, another business ethical lighting. So it was just gorgeous, beautiful stage and the curtains lighting a real joy to perform there. So this will be a whole different experience, but a lot more people will be invited to, to view it. So for keen and interested to see how I was going there, you a, you're not, what are you?


Graeme Reed: I was trying, I was going to try to fake my age and play like 19 or something. 18. I'm 30. I'm going to be 34 this year.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: I see you don't look it so you could probably sleep right in there. Right. It's the best magic trick I do, but I'll keep it out.


Graeme Reed: I know everywhere I go, cause we have to wear masks. Right. So I know if I go into the LCPO I basically like you have, I have to kind of like flash my face.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Okay.


Graeme Reed: But I know I'm like the guy on the computer ads, but we actually encourage one of our local members that are Magic club in the kitchen or Waterloo region. Uh he's from golf, no one, no guara. And we always showcased them in our


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Secret shows. He's a juggler slash Magician. And we said, Hey, did you know, tannins is free virtually this year


Graeme Reed: We re Joyce did tannins when he,


Jeff & Tessa Evason: He was a kid. Oh, he did it twice.


Graeme Reed: Um, and as he said, it was life changing, like game changing forum as a young Magician. And that's kind of how we got to start. Joan Caesar was a huge,


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Um, person and pushing them to do that.


Graeme Reed: Uh, I never did anything. I wish I did got to do the, I had the opportunity to, yeah.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: That would have been so cool. Did you do the Canadian Ontario Mike's uh, Magic camp?


Graeme Reed: No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I also didn't know about that until I was too old as well. Um, I was always just the too shy kid, but now I've been breaking out, you know, with this podcast and doing a whole lot more Magic and things, uh, learning my levels in wizard,


Jeff & Tessa Evason: I guess, apparently a level seven.


Graeme Reed: Um Talking so do you know what you're going to share mentor wise with the kids? Or are you just presenting Magic or do you have, um,


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Talking talking, it was originally in discussion that we would do some teaching in the daytime and then the show at night. But the teaching schedule was such that we would have, I think, 12 minutes and we thought there's really not a whole lot. We can do in 12 minutes because of the two person aspect that would require people actually doing it with each other. And so we'd need to give them the time for that and then tweak it with them as we went along because the system we were thinking was very simple, but yet we wanted to be sure they got it before we left. Is that going to have a stronger impact? Wouldn't be our system.


No know we had some really cool ideas and I think maybe next year we'll do it at the live Q uh, and that way we'll get, uh, an hour perhaps. I think that's what it is. So at least an hour would be required coming up with the idea and imagining what it would be like and walking through the whole process. And then, you know, as you get a Nigeria from Magic and mentalism, and then you build on that. So we were doing most of it when we were driving from the U S to Canada where we are now. And, uh, so it made that night go by really fast though. It's really, really,


Graeme Reed: So you kind of, okay. You jumped ahead there too. You were just in the States, you've recently down in the States and Mary was a Maryland. Is that where your others?


Jeff & Tessa Evason: We have a home in Maryland, a condo in Maryland. So we left, uh, the middle of 13 that'll June, June 1st, two weeks or so of to here and then, uh, pretty much self affording self forward and changing, still, not doing much


Graeme Reed: Kind of like all of us, I think, cause it's still questionable, like things open up and they hear new cases and things and you know, it's kind of nice to just be at home and fix up and clean the place a little bit, right? Yeah.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Yeah. Lots of clenching. We have a property that just became bigger, so we have some freeze to plant. Um, but um, we have hardly any cases here where we live in Ontario, very low, uh, 23 cases of COVID and uh, I think all of them resolved currently, very few people really reacted soon and took precautions were in their masks. And I guess what about where you are? Is it


Graeme Reed: Yeah, where we are? We're in a kind of a rural town. I'm in a Brantford branch, fordable Ontario home of the great one, Wayne Gretzky and the Graemazing line. Um, but so, uh, that we had, we were really low on cases. We were down to one, but now there's been a couple of popups things, um, cause some of the stores and stuff, but I feel like, you know, it's still questionable though. Everyone's getting a little bit back to it, but you were down, you were in the States when the tragic death of George Floyd happened and everything, and all the protests started to happen. Black lives matter movement, really like everyone started to listen and continue to listen. And, but there's still a couple of people that don't understand, you know, what was the climate like in the States at that time? Cause I know here in Canada there were a lot of peaceful protests, but we only saw things on the news. You were right down kind of in the States. What was it like?


Jeff & Tessa Evason: We've kind of sequestered


In an area like if the town of Annapolis sits between DC and Baltimore. So we are pretty much in a safe zone. In fact, people in DC call Annapolis, which is the capital of Maryland, but they call it the village and it is like a village feeling. So people generally do everything on the down low, you know, they, they would peacefully protest. Um, but you know, I don't know, everybody's forgotten the 2015 Baltimore had that incredible protests and riots and it got pretty scary at that time. And so we knew that there was possibilities for going in that direction. And we chose to, especially with coal by D we chose to keep more local, uh, so that we could still be, you know, have really strong effects and have a better understanding for our people. Um, and we just felt that we still did something really good there.


They had, we went to a protest in Annapolis, downtown, maybe a hundred, 200 people. It was remarkable emotionally young, uh, 20, maybe teenagers, 20 somethings, but they had megaphones and they would take their turns to make speeches. It was so impressive how well-spoken they were, how they knew their history, uh, through the presidents and, and America's history with slavery. And up until now, uh, I can tell you in our own personal house, in our home every day Tessa was in tears, it was so emotional to, uh, to, to see everything transpire the way it did to your George floor to see it. And I, I think, I think what was really powerful about it was the way it affected people across the world. And I thought it was very touching and to see so many more non-black people protesting and speaking up and speaking for us because of course everybody was upset, but being a black person, it's, it gets too deep in your soul.


Sometimes I just couldn't even speak. And um, so I have to say that was one of the most powerful and most positive aspects of what I've seen in place. And I feel that we'll get more change because we're not trying to do it ourselves. I don't think we've ever been alone, but now we have many more people across the line and it has a lot to do with the youthful people at, you know, um, especially university level. And we know that from working at campuses, uh, they're so accepting of each other more than the real world. And so it weren't standing, they weren't going to stand for it whatsoever. And I just, I I'm so grateful to all of them, no matter what race you are that came out and supported us in 70 personal messages and then both Jeff and I, because as a mixed race couple and we have different issues, then maybe just a black individual person would have all those. There is, I know, would be far more challenging for sure.


Um, I think if myself, I mean I'm 34 and we know like we have the conversation here all the time, Alicia, myself, my girlfriend we're the same age. And we had the conversation, like when we grew up, we just felt like, you know, we grew up in cultured neighborhoods and there was acceptance. And when, when all this kind of happened, this specific time we realized we did were a little bit naive to how big of an issue this was. And then even more so like, my dad was, it was a teacher. Um, my, you know, all my brothers are like, we're all, we all think we're all honor students and everything, but certain historical events, uh, I didn't know about Juneteenth until I watched the, uh, Liberty Magic stream with, um, you two, uh, Eric Jones, Roy Renick, and Randy shine. And I didn't know about a couple of these historical events.


And I was like, why don't I, I don't know about these things. I asked my dad's like, did you know, when did you know about Juneteenth? And he said, I didn't know about that until a couple of years ago. And he was like, I mean, it was a phys ed teacher, but still, you know, it's it just, when you start to research these things, you realize that it was kind of removed from history classes in store and it hasn't been taught. Uh, so you kind of realize there's a, a huge, like, there's a big kind of, there's a problem. There's a real problem there. I think in Canada too, you don't have, I know for us, well, I should always say for me, because your experience is very different, even, you know, Tessa grew up in Ontario, she'd experienced this growing up, but we never did as a couple.


Well, I mean, I remember one show we lost because the agent said the client, doesn't like the fact that you're a mixed race, um, that first time, but generally it didn't happen. And then we thought we didn't know that it was happening. Let's say that. Cause you don't always know. Right, true. Um, but you know, sometimes you get it on cruise ship. So we had an experience where we were sailing one year, our boat was in Florida and had an experience that it's just really eye opening. Uh, fortunately it's a safe zone up here even when we are in long Sioux, Ontario, uh, Eastern Ontario. There's not a whole lot of black people here. I mean, there's more so now than there was certainly when I was growing up. I think we have one black kids in school, but I grew up in the big Afro there and everybody thought he was the coolest guy in high school, but generally we don't feel the same. Uh, in the States, my friends, my, my, some of my black male friends. They, they tell me when we first moved there, you know, one guy he got arrested, they pulled him over randomly and found a joint in his, uh, love compartment. And, uh, for that, he ended up serving time in Baltimore in jail. Um, but the fact that he was pulled over, I've never been pulled over randomly. And yet I speak to my friends of color and they said, it's a common thing. And the more you're


Aware of it, we see it all the time. This was just one cop car pulled over for random checks and there's three coffers. It just seems to be a different treatment. And I hope that changes. I think it will. I believe that it will be a must have because it's systemic and it's almost subtle in some ways. So a lot of people walking around are not even aware of some of the fine details of what's happening. And nobody wants to think about selfless racism. In fact, a lot of people say, well, I'm not racist, but it, the race racial insensitivity and the racial indifference can still allow some things to happen. But what I do really believe is happening, as you just said, a lot of people are not aware of certain aspects that black people go through, be it a celebration, or be it something that's that that's a problem.


And unfortunately, George Floyd, who's not the first person who's died, but his death because of the way we visualize and saw it and impacted us is now causing people to listen more. And it's also causing many more of us to talk about it. I'm in the entertainment with them. I talk amongst ourselves, but we've never made it so vocal. And I think the virtual world, I think the pandemic, because we're all online watching and listening, I think that's, what's made it much more powerful. And it's a good thing for everybody, not just for people of color.


Graeme Reed: Absolutely. I actually, we actually know some people and our families, they work all the time. Still. They've been frontline workers through the whole thing. Um, and they actually weren't aware of even the whole situation going on. Cause they were dealing with their own day to day because they just don't pay attention to the news. Right. They're just going to work and trying to get through with all that craziness. So even having that conversation where you're sharing with it, and then it kind of shined a little more light than cause a lot of things now too, on social media, just a headline. Right, right. You really need to read into it more to understand or get the whole picture because context is King. Like you really need to know the whole thing. Um, and it's, it's really scary the way people share headlines right now and crazy video posts and things. And it's unfortunate. Um, have you in the Magic community, I know you kind of mentioned about your kind of show bookings and, and things like that, which is very unfortunate. I'm sorry to hear things like that, but have you experienced this in the Magic community with other Magicians or entertainers like racism?


Jeff & Tessa Evason: I don't think so. I can't really think of anything. And one of the reasons why is when I have some experiences, I don't want to Harbor it in my heart. It's not that I've forgotten it, but I've put it in a place that in my mind, every day I go out there on stage, I know I'm representing people of color and I hope I inspire people to just see me as a human being. And I hope I inspire black people in the audience also. So unless they're very aggressive and very mean spirited about it, I tend to let that go and forgive them. And I hope by the way, I speak to them and treat them that they're going to remember that then instead of just judging me of the color that I am and thinking that I shouldn't fit in some box that's in their mind that they were taught because nobody's born with these ideas in their minds of negative ways of looking at other human beings.


So it's a lot of things have happened along the way. And some of the stories are too long to tell they're very involved and you know, we've had people who, how does leave town after our shows? Like you better not stay here tonight. Cause it's not safe. White people telling us that you got to go and stay somewhere else. And we're like, what, what are you talking about? What era are we in? And so it still exists. And I do want to say to people, I spent a good portion of my life in Canada and it's very different in the States because Canada didn't have slavery like the States did. And in fact, Canada was a safe house for many slaves. And so the issues that are there are very specific to United States of America. And I think people are realizing black people that they help build that country beyond what people are acknowledging. And that's what they want the recognition. They're not looking for awards, but they want it so that everybody, wherever they go, where they think they know the history, they understand what's going on. And they know that we're not just trying to get something from somebody else. It's not that it's it's we realize people don't really believe what's being said all along and George floats death, unfortunately, that is making people get it. And it's a good thing.


Graeme Reed: I know you also mentioned it too. A big part of it too, is The this unique time of the global pandemic where everyone is listening to everything. And so many it's so many, it's been it's heady weird, unique positives with some horrible like negatives, right? Like from things like the environment to the awareness of black lives matter and just the importance of even certain people that work every day and things like that. It's just, it's a weird, weird time this pandemic, but it's very important. All these messages as Magicians, um, Tessa is there something that we can continue to do to, uh, support black lives matter and black lives? I know there's been a lot like penguin Magic recently. Um, a lot of us creators, we put up our tricks and if you purchased it, they would match the price and it all went to support. And there's been some creators that created PDF downloads and things like that. Um, I think you mentioned an even in the, the Liberty arts, Magic basically just giving more opportunities to black Magicians and maybe even the ones that we don't necessarily certainly see all the time.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: That's true. And you know, there's a lot of black Magicians out there, African Americans or black magicians around the world. And unless they have incredible success, you don't even know that they exist. And I have to be honest, there's a lot of them, I didn't even know until the last few years. Uh, so yeah. Look in your town, look in your, and I know who's there and meet them and support them and, you know, cross over. Cause you know, the communication that, that involving them and inviting them to be a part of either your association Magic club or just helping them out because there may be some challenges they have had that they specifically are having. And knowing that you're there covering their back, being there for them could make a big difference. Of course, we can all decide to reach into our pockets and donate some money and decide where you want that money to go.


Um, but you're saying the Magic world. Yes. What you just said is true. I know the magic castle is trying to work on that also, but if you can help to teach, even if I know school isn't back yet, that's the unfortunate thing we have these great opportunities, but we've got this pandemic. So if classes were back full force and safe, it would be going into these and helping students because we all know that before I Magic a mentalism, especially when you're younger can help build children's confidence. And it really helps their minds in many different ways, artistically and even scientifically. So yeah, whatever you can do for your community is probably the easiest and the strongest impact that you can have.


Graeme Reed: That's a really great message when it comes down to it, it's just really sharing our gifts of Magic with those who need it most.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Yeah, because I think people don't think that they can do much, but so it's like, whatever you, you think you could do as a Magician for somebody else, then just see a black person as a human being. And when you reach out to them, you're going to still be using the same sort of ideals that you had in mind and you'll help them dramatically make big difference.


Graeme Reed: I appreciate this whole conversation, um, about black lives on the podcast today. This is cause we, Ryan and I talked about this. We were like, do we do a black live special? Um, and actually that at that moment is when the Liberty Magic thing happened. I was like, I don't think we do a special, I think, cause I watched the whole special, I think the important thing is we do interviews and we continue the conversation, not just in this, you know, in this short amount of time and then let it possibly fade away. We gotta keep it


Jeff & Tessa Evason: That conversation going well,


Graeme Reed: We hope to feature more black men and you've already mentioned a couple that we should have on the show.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Yes. Maybe messaged you. And we talked about Monterey and uh, Kevin Lithia and um, I don't, I don't know if you've had Randy shine and uh, Rory Renick. Who's really interesting. Cause he's written a book on Henry box Brown, which is about a slave who, you know, use his thoughts to start magically disappear from the United States and get himself out of slavery. And it's going to be fascinating if you haven't,


Graeme Reed: Which is such a cool story. And I didn't know about Rory until that stream either and like such an interesting performer and great storyteller too.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Yeah. There's so many more out there and I have to tell you that when you reached out to us, as I said, we do all appreciate the platform. They opportunity to


Speak about people of color. But I also have the concern that one, because I haven't lived the American life. I don't have the direct ancestors and as many as, as, uh, an African Americans born in an era, but also I don't want people to feel like I'm coming here to hear Magic what's this all about? Can we get some Magic please? And I hope that everyone will just be patient with us and give us this opportunity. Because I mean, if you know me, you know what Jeff and I do, you know, we got to understand you, you know, we help people and you can reach out to us. So please give us this opportunity, everybody, when you hear, just give everybody a few minutes, don't, don't tune out, stay tuned in because you'll find a way that you can help us. And it won't be as hard as you might be thinking. And we'll be very grateful for that.


Graeme Reed: That's the sound clip that goes right at the start of the podcast. That's the tune in moment to keep everyone hooked to like, Oh, I have to listen to this. I must listen to this. So in this, this is a way kind of mentorship for all of us and learning more and being better people to each other. And Talking mentorship. I'm going to loop this back as best as I can back to you, to your mentors. Cause now you're mentoring kids, which is so fascinating to me. And you're teaching them a little bit of, not necessarily your second site, but a version of second sight. I'm understanding. And, but your mentors, Liz and Tommy Tucker, can you talk to us a little bit about, uh, your original mentors a little bit?


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Well, they were fantastic people. There were wonderful people. They had, uh, they used to have a company called ESP, which stood for exhibitor sales presentations. And they, they did a lot of trade shows. That's really where Liz and Tommy made their living. Uh, after the supper club, uh, market kind of died out when, you know, and entertainment was in its hay day after vaudeville, uh, Tommy lives in the country doing one night, they call them updates, but they were really one nighters. Um, and then they moved into the trade show cause it was more lucrative market and they killed, but they didn't only do their mind trading act. They would do little, they have a little play that they cause Liz was an actor and Tommy was a Magician Tommy chucker as a child. He invented six card repeat and he showed it to Harry Blackstone, sr backstage in, uh, in Washington.


Uh, Tommy was from one of the suburbs of Boston and he showed it to him after. And um, Harry asked him if he could do it on stage and look over the tray and very few people credit Tommy Tucker, although it is in print that it's, it's true. Um, he was a master at the leaking rings, wonderful Magician. They became friends with a couple of the Roberts, Eddie and Lucile Roberts who were another huge, two-person migrating at a comedy person, two person comedy migrating, but they were, we've never seen quite according to Liz and Tommy who in our minds are the best that has ever been. And they say, no, you have to have seen the Roberts, Eddie and Lucille Roberts. And you know, we worked at the Imperial room at the Royal York hotel back when they used to do shows and uh, people would tell us, uh, Kuno impre was the doorman, the, uh, of the, uh, at the, uh, The Raleigh.


And he would tell us about this migrating act that they would have once in a while, back in the sixties and the turnout, it was Lucille and Andy Roberts. So even he remembered, you know, this RAC really impacted him. They taught, uh, Lucille and Eddie retired and bought a gift shop. And, uh, they taught the Tuckers Tucker's then took that act and changed it, molded it. And it's very different in, in the, as is ours, but they taught us, but changed it to suit us part in age and era. So we certainly couldn't do it the way they were doing it. Although the foundation of what they created was very helpful. And they, uh, so they had this company ESP and that they would do the trade shows and they also were pioneers in electronics mentalism they were one of, I think they are the first product that ever came out.


That was a radio system, uh, that, uh, you could feed information to the telepath, that the mental list on stage, this was in the infancy of wireless communication. So their system and the reason I'm familiar with their system is one of my best friends growing up also Magician who got us into mentalism introduced us to the Tuckers. In fact, he had purchased their radio mind system. Uh, it's an interesting little system. Can you mention who this Magician is? Well, he passed away at age. Uh, his name was Richard Simmons. He's fantastic. From corner. Mom worked at a radio station together. He did the all night show and I did warnings. Our past would always craft, cross and interesting character. He knew that I did Magic. He came to a few shows and he thought that he would become an escape artist and he bought a milk can escape.


Richard traveled all over Ontario. I don't think any anywhere outside of Ontario doing this escape back, that he would, uh, up in wealth, Kitchener area, there was a hotel. What was that? Hotel? Famous hotel grave, Greystone old building, but it was a bar and he would be booked in there for a week. He'd hang out the window and do an upside down straight jacket in a state. But at other times, when I worked out in Nova Scotia, I had Richard come out to Halifax and do a big telephone of, I tell a marketing show. Somebody else did this, the ticket sales, but hired me. And so I brought Richard up to do the show. He said, get a crane and I'll go up in the air. He was up in the air. I had to be a hundred feet Idaho at least way after the era of this high rise crane, uh, during the escape, just getting out of the straight jacket.


I thought about a promoter. He was a really interesting character. We had a at the radio station, we worked at together here in Cornwall, Ontario. We had a watch line. It was a long distance line. You could call anywhere. He became friends with one of the three Stooges and would call this guy every weekend. Richard did the afternoon shows and Saturday and Sunday, the radio station. He called this fellow in the nursing home in Florida. Uh, I don't know which one of the Stooges, but, uh, and it became very good friends with him and got all this stuff autographed and all of these materials. Then he came into mentalism, uh, while he was doing escapes, uh, woman told us themselves like fun. He never mastered anything, but he experimented a lot of things. So he found out that Joseph was still alive in New Jersey. And he started calling her at home and she invited him down.


After they became friends over the telephone, she invited them to come and visit. And he did that on multiple occasions. So you'd go down there and then he came back with all kinds of dunnage, your memorabilia. And so he became, she gave him permission to use that engines logo. So his performing name after it became a mentalist slash hypnotist was Davenport. Uh, if you were young and you went into Morrissey's Magic, you would've seen Davin reports with the dunnage, your logo, posters and stuff around the Magic. He was quite the promoter. You move to Toronto where I lived at the time and, and then test it. I went to work on cruise ships and he befriended Liz and Tommy Tucker. And he, uh, ordered their radio, this wireless radio system. And the system will use the two person mind reading at him and his wife at the time, never, uh, could, could learn the finish the study.


And she didn't really want to be on stage, which happens a lot, but she was making an effort, but it wasn't going anywhere because he really, really wants to do this. And we came off a ship. We were on for two years at went straight two years and we came off for a break, went to visit Richard, Eddie played us a cassette tape of losing Tommy Tucker. This is what we're working on. Now, check this out. We listened to this thing we're blown away with. We didn't really do mellows. And we did maybe the mental Epic. And that was about all we did, but we listened to this tape and thought, Oh, this is perfect. What is it? You showed us the workings. And we thought, this is great for us. We're back to the cruise ships are contract for another six months was about to begin thought we could learn this, but he said, you know, I'd rather you didn't.


I want to do it. So we honored that couple years later, we got it. Uh, so later he, uh, he decided, no, they couldn't do it. He, uh, called me and said, you don't yours. If you want it, you could, I don't mind if you order it yourself. So that was our introduction to the list. And Tommy Tucker, all them ordered their system. They're there, uh, over the phone, they sent it to us and every month it's way before the internet, every month we send them a VHS tape. Once we started doing it, which was two or three years later, and they would teach us by mail. Everything was fine. I let her tell me what to write a letter. I'd write a letter back. It was a month in between times that we correspond and then it became VHS tapes. Once we started doing it, he critiqued the VHS tape, get on the phone or write a nice letter and send it back with a beautiful file correspondence with Liz and Tommy, Tommy couldn't work at the time.


He was in a wheelchair and slipped and fallen on ice and damaged his hip. And, uh, so, uh, Liz was still, she lived into her nineties, smoked a pack a day, uh, foster vision shoes, tap dancer after Tommy died, but she's acting right up until that point until she got sick. And, uh, and so, uh, Tommy was our mentor, but, um, mostly by telephone and mail. And then Liz, uh, after Tommy died, we drove down from Toronto. We had a little MGB at the time we drove to Boston and that darn MGA, every 30 minutes, something would overheat. We'd have to pull him from the highway. So we finally, as many hours later made it to her place to spend the weekend with her. And, uh, we were so good friends. You call him Liz, we'd be in the Boston area, performing a college. And he got off stage pack up in the car, maybe 10 30 at night, we call this, she was a real night out and she said, come on over.


So it will be an hour. We're an hour away. It doesn't matter. Get there at midnight, stay up. So 4:00 AM just talking about show, business stories, and then be so funny. Cause we would be talking about kinds of things. And we started getting exhausted, but not her. She probably could have gone for hours later. So it's really awesome to connect. We, uh, they, they made a lot of money in their, uh, in their career, a lot of money, but they spent a lot of money and gosh knows on what promo Tucker said, the most beautiful promotional materials. I think of their day high glossy folders, dye, cup materials, just gorgeous. But this said, he'd put all the money into, so they didn't really have great wealth accumulated by the time he died. And we did a little interview on cassette tape, a conversation with Liz Tucker and we sold that off, gave all the money to Liz, me a few thousand dollars on that.


She was so grateful, but that's kind of well as passed away. So that's the end of that. But I think the tapes are still out there somewhere. Um, yeah, I, I, so many stories about listen, Tommy, but you know, The, we listened to them, uh, watch some of their old, uh, they did a television show back in the fifties and just see them work and to understand what is going on between the two of them and to see how her mind is rapidly calculating the information that she does. Uh it's uh, it blows our minds. We know what they're doing. And then she w we show her what we're doing. And she would say the same thing. I have no idea what you're doing. I don't know what it is you're doing, but we know in our hearts that they, uh, you know, we're not at their level.


I don't believe no, I don't think so. We've changed things to a great deal. And we've made it into something that is different from what they did, because they went from the laps, they got the, they, they, they inherently blew people's minds, but what they really wanted was the laughter. And, you know, there were agents, some of the bigger agents at the time that they introduced us to cause they were working. I remember people saying, you know, what I love about the talkers was the chair, the electric chair. So they would do the, you know, the, uh, the hot seat, that's how they closed. They would have to turn a couple of people into mind readers. And, but that ever happened, they just kept jumping out of the seats or they were just shocked. That's what the ancients love. So it was interesting. Um, uh, they, they, they didn't go for the psychic, not at all.


They were completely the other direction and we're always trying to steer us away from that. But, you know, as I said earlier, it's different era and different personalities. And, uh, we brought to the table, we bought to the States and developed what we realized was going to work best for us and what people wanted. Because if you listen to your audience while you're performing and after your shows, you got a good sense of what it is that they're really, uh, enjoying the most. So yes, it's always good to have laughter and humor, but it was when we did things that dramatically, that they seem to respond to are better and really enjoy it. In the beginning, we tried to emulate the talkers. We thought, well, they were our, uh, they were our teachers. They were the, the ones that we wanted to be just like them. And I, and with their permission, of course, we, uh, we use some of their lines and tried to be like the Tuckers and you have to be yourself. And, you know, I think that takes a while, but we used to use The. They had lines that while they may have been funny back in the sixties and seventies, like tests as a university graduates, she studied psycho ceramics. That's the study of crackpots.


After a while we realized that this is not our era that's changed just for ourselves.


Graeme Reed: Are those people really paying attention right now? Yeah.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Hold their audience. We're like, Hey, we can do this line here. Let's do that tonight.


Graeme Reed: Oh my gosh. Um, but there's a lot of parallels between, it sounds like you too. And the Tuckers though, as well, like, um, Liz was an actress and he was a Magician and they met in Tessa. You were a dancer and Jeff you were a Magician. And so is there another couple that has approached? I imagine there's been a lot of that


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Have approached you to, you know, we've had people ask us and I think the day may be coming maybe sooner than later that we will because of what's happening and timing and whatnot. Maybe we'll, uh, put something out in the form of a book. Um, we'll see. Uh, I, on the other hand, maybe we'll just mentor a couple, uh, frankly, I'd love to teach a black couple. I would just love to find a couple that is taught what it takes and let's pass the torch on to somebody that has something different than what we had and what came before us. But it has to be the right couple. This is really takes a lot of work because we've always said no electronics and no pre show. And yet, uh, that's tends to be what you see a lot of today, even with acts of our nature, uh, the, you know, the number of them that are using real, what I consider real sec, second sight techniques, there's fewer and fewer. And maybe that's just, uh, maybe there's better ways now. I don't know. I, I think that it's better to stay true to the roots because we can do it anywhere. There there's no drop outs of wifi signals or whatever. That's all about. There's no danger of pre show and people leaving and getting up and going, although with the virtual world. Right. Pretty sure it was perfect for that.


Yeah. I remember doing my first zoom meeting, which was not very showy. It was just for NACA, which is the campus association. And while we were doing it, they were sending us out to figure out who to send it to the first breakout mind go, Oh my God, look at this. You know, just like, Magicians, they're just going to love this or midsize, but a perfect opportunity. It is. So, uh, I think as you understand where you put your mind sway, you can make it really work for you for sure. Which is cool. But I think for, um, using, uh, assistant and not using electronics and we use both then because then you have a backup and if your electronics are not working well, then you can go that route. And, uh, or if there's, The, there's an attack that's very difficult to do. Or, you know, as we said, it's hard to find a partner that who stay with you and learn this then and grow with it because it takes a lot of work in a long time. Um, the minutia of it is what's the challenge, not the whole system, but the minutia that, so then maybe you'll use both in a worksheet we chose not to, and we haven't needed it and we feel better about it. And we feel more in control of everything we're doing. Second by second on that stage,


Graeme Reed: What you to do is something so special in the magic and mentalism world, because it's one of those traditional things that is only known


Jeff & Tessa Evason: By few passed down through letter and tape. Um, it's a, it's, it's one of those things that has Magicians. We hope all secrets were kind of like this, you know? Um, I think it's so fascinating that your system is, uh, so it's, it's kept so special and secret and to the people that will eventually acquire that from you in some way, hopefully they do just as good of a job as the two of you, because two minus the other acts, I get what you're saying when you kind of, I think when you, like, I remember seeing you too, as a kid, uh, at Fern resort and Ontario, and you are legends in the family with what you to do. And I remember like with the family, everyone, you probably hear the crazy theory. What are some of the most ridiculous theories that people have with what you're doing? Like I remember as a kid, I was like, Oh, he has a camera right here. And then her blindfold has like a TV screen in it. People used to say with Tessa before Tessa had braids, she had a different hairstyle. People thought that she had some electronic television receiver in my hair.


Yeah. Crazy, crazy theories. We did a not too long ago in North Bay. As a matter of fact, the theater afterwards, somebody came up from the lobby, we're doing a meet and greet and she worked for a high tech company. I can't remember which one, I think it was to shoot them, but I can't remember honestly, but she said, I know how you do it, but it was fabulous. And how, I'm just curious, what do you think is going on? And she said, well, I work for X company. And we did a, we were at a trade show last month and they showed us these contact lenses with embedded circuitry. And, uh, so everything is, you can see it through the contact lenses, but nobody else can see it. Nobody else knows that you're seeing it. And I had never heard of these things turns out they exist or, or currently it's looking like they will exist.


They're not released yet. But she was telling us, she thought that we had access to this incredible, uh, electronic wizardry before anybody else did. So people, uh, they'll believe whatever seems to be the obvious to them. The obvious isn't the old school methods for most people, I think because we've kind of made that an impossibility because she knows things that even, I don't know, or, or, or isn't known to anybody other than the person, apparently it feels that way. And, um, so yeah, I don't, I think those are the crazy ones that everybody, isn't a kind of strange. Yeah. Most people go like, Oh, it's electronics. That's how it happens. I think it is. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's it isn't then you have, but you can't, you can't, it's very difficult to convince somebody. You do, you do a great job of proving it. And you know, you should, if someone comes up


Graeme Reed: And brings up the car, you should have a contact lens that you can Palm in that has like wires that flash on it. So you'd be like, Oh, this is how it's done. Freak people out.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: You would think of that. Tessa can't even wear contacts for sure.


Graeme Reed: I, I recently searched glasses. I couldn't imagine contacts. I don't want to do it.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: 10, 15 years ago, somebody offered us $20,000 to teach them a couple. And it was a real legitimate offer. They were from Las Vegas. So they, they, uh, phoned in and made a, a genuine offer. We thought, no that's. So we always kind of had in the back of our head, when the time comes, we'll choose just a handful of people and charge them a ridiculous amount of money to do mentorship and be available to them. And it's worth something. But I just feel now maybe, uh, our needs have certainly changed maybe, uh, it's time to share it with, we don't know. Maybe what's should we do maybe, you know what we should do?


Graeme Reed: Oh, just tell me everything and I'll just, I'll do it. I'll do it with my, I'll do it with my dog. Is that okay? That sounds like a real hard uphill battle. Um, now Talking legendary status with what you to do. You were, you've been presented and I'm going to probably kind of wrap it up here


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Because I've really taken a lot of your time. Thank you so much, by the way. And all this,


Graeme Reed: This is, this is a great chat. This is so much you've given us so much information from Talking, uh, the importance of black lives and mentalism and mind reading. Yeah.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: And the history of YouTube as well.


Graeme Reed: You know, a lot of us is younger. Magicians our history stories like, Oh my God.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: And some DVDs tapes from,


Graeme Reed: You know, the Magic shop. It's not as, it's not as like romantic and exciting with the cool mentorship and everything, but you are recipients of the ceremony, awards or Mati award.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Thank you,


Graeme Reed: Ceremony. Okay. I w I was looking at it like three times over and I was like, I'm gonna, I'm going to do it wrong, but you're your recipients of the ceremony award. And maybe not, all of us are aware of how important it,


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Can you tell us what,


Graeme Reed: What that award means and the importance of it to you?


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Well, first of all, it means it's, our movie is secret and Roy masters of the impossible. So it's just really incredible to have that honor to have received it. And then to have it known now that we've lost Roy. Um, so it really touches our heart. I think it just changed our world, getting that award. We had recognition already, but that was really powerful. And I think, especially for you, cause they were an outfit you admired ever since you were very young because I'm very new. I was very new. I didn't learn. Magic Mexican. This child. I came into it through my girlfriend twenties when I met Jeff. So it's an award that was given out at the world. Magic seminar that used to take place in Las Vegas. Joe Stevens enrich block, did a combined conference. It was one of the bigger Magic conventions at the time. And Siegfried and Roy were, uh, I'm not sure what their involvement was, to be honest with you, except they gave away this award every year. They would always be there at the conference and they would get up and speak. Uh, and that particular year we had a fight for green. Well, we thought we'd apply for green cards, but we didn't have any awards. And our lawyer in Las Vegas said, you really need to come back after you've done this, this, this, this, and one of those things was war,


Right? So we actually got a call right around that time from rich blog, who asked if we would do a spot in the seminar, the conference paid spot. And I think it had something to do with Jeff McBride had to step out of his spot and for personal reasons. And you know, so we did that. And so in, in doing that and we thought, you know, we should do it because it'll help a recognition. And then he called back and said, no, actually, if you don't mind, he can take the spot back. It's just not going to work. And I said, no problem. And I said to him, what about if we enter the competition? I think it was like the mentalist at a Magic competition. Never heard of that before. And that's where, that's where a cup of Baltimore.


So we, yeah, we never expected to win. And the people's choice award is the big, uh, lion said a word it used to be called that's given out and the same cash value and safe cash prize. I'm not a trophy. They would give you a painting of their tigers, like fruit and white with the $5,000 cash. And this limited edition painting that was the somebody award. And nobody knew who would win the ceremony award until Zincfrin and Roy went up and, uh, and presented it. And we, I think we left the room or we went to sit in the back that we did our performance. And then we went way to the back of the theater. It was huge theater and OBO. Brian out of nowhere is painting it huffing. And he's, he he's searching everywhere up and down the aisles. And the end, he finds us sitting with Dennis Lewis in the back row of the theater. Jeff and Tessa what are you doing here? You've got to be backstage.


We didn't know the show what's for is that I can't tell you just come with me now.


So yeah, that was the reason why I took to receive the award.


Yeah. They chose their favorite act and, um, we got the award and we met them backstage and they were just beside themselves because they wanted to do a second site act together. Um, but they have challenges with the language, which was an issue for them. So they, they just loved it. They just left this much and they made us feel so appreciated. I can't even tell you just incredible.


I Reed Larson at a conference came up at that same conference, came up to Tessa and she said, you know, Roy is very jealous cause Siegfried can't stop talking about you.


Wow. And then a year later they


Came, they released their, there will be the Magic Boch was even near, was it within six months? The, uh, the 3d, uh, IMAX movie that, uh, that they had, and they brought it to Toronto. It was one of the shows that they had three showings at the Dean's a big theaters. And they, and they did a lot. She was their lead assistant that then came, uh, I guess their PR person. She contacted us and asked us if we would go to the, uh, to the theater and meet them and, and just sort of be seeing with them in Toronto. So it was just an amazing experience all around. Cause I grew up in these guys are, they were heroes. Magic heroes of mine still are, still are. They're like the epitome of superstar status. Right. The stories are unbelievable. Just like I was after Roy passed, I went and checked out. I never got the opportunity to see Siegfried and Roy. So it's really great that you get to hear these cool stories. Um, so I went and watched, there's like a whole 2020 documentary series right. As, and I watched the whole thing and just their, their story is just unbelievable all the way.


Yeah. They were superstars of course, in the Magic world, but beyond the Magic world. And that's, that's what made them so great. Well, I think they will be for many, many years stigma.


Great. Now through this interview, we've actually learned a lot of, kind of what has inspired you to magically and Jeff what you, who you've always looked up to, but Tessa you were a dancer before you were a Magician growing up. Like what inspired you? What made you become a dancer and an entertainer who was that that would have done that?


I think that I, that I always wanted to do something with entertainment because when I watched a movie, I know how it made me feel, especially when it was the music halls, you know, those great movies where they're singing and dancing and it's like any problem that you had seemed to disappear. I mean, I know as a child, what problems could I possibly have? But for some reason it impacted me that way that I thought it did made me feel so amazing, unsure any entertainment would make other people feel just as wonderful. And, uh, it started when I was young, when I lived in Waterloo and I started doing ballet, which is unusual, of course, always wherever it went, it would be one of the only black people there. And so there was a lot of teak techniques they were teaching that might lack flat feet just couldn't do.


So there was an interest interesting journey, but, um, I think it was just many of the different, uh, actors and actresses and singers and dancers was sort of a combination of them all different styles that really inspired me to, to dance. Um, although I was only allowed to do it as a hobby and my parents didn't understand, no, I want to be an entertainer because there were no entertainers in either sides of my families and their minds is you're going to do the things that will make you successful and allow you to earn money in your key, which is all the obvious that most parents are. And so in my mind, I just didn't have the courage to go against what their wishes were. So I was just having to have it as a hobby until I found that Jeff and then I started leaked.


Calvin did some little Magic for awhile, not thinking I was going to make it my career, but once I started working with him, I realized that I really had to give this some time and do it for a little bit, at least, and see where it takes me to, and I was supposed to be going to university. So I delayed it by a year. And at the end of that year, I just said to my parents, I can't go that route. I'm going this way. And I hope you can forgive me, but here I go. And that's what happened. And you know, a few years later they were like, you're so happy. You're working hard, you're successful. And the most important things to parents is that the children are having a happy life, a good life. And I was having that. So I got their blessing and went on


And it was the resort. Our first season together, it was at The, we'd done a couple of shows around Toronto, but then we got this alimony and then the cruise ship booking, that's everything just kind of


Click, click, click, click, and just took off.


But she was inspired, matched by Marcos.


Well, Mark Wilson was just a real blip, you know, because, um, when I lived in st. Lucia, when I was younger, you know, we really had like two channels and really not much going on. And so anybody that went to usually Canada or America, and sometimes when they bring back videos, somebody would just make a compilation of anything and they bring it back. They make an announcement in the news, in the news or in the newspaper that whatever, on this day, on the Sunday, during this time we're going to play an American video tape. That's all American video tape. That's what they call it. Everybody knows. And so they put it on together around, and you watch all kinds of things. And that's the midst of war watching this, I've come to this Magician I'm like, wow. And, and it was actually, I didn't know what it was then, but when I saw the illusion, many years later, it was backstage illusion.


And I'm just watching this thing going, Holy well, you know, I didn't say fabrics, but I was like, Oh my God. And so I'm watching it. I go, I know how this works. And so I turned to my sister and then I was going to tell my friend, I was trying to look, which one should I tell that I know how it works? And everybody, every kid, every adult that was there, they were just in awe watching this Magic. And so I was like, wow, I can't burst that bubble. So that's my first lesson. I keep the magic secret to yourself. And then that was it. I never thought about magic and never saw it anywhere. Um, until I met Jeff and then it was like, Oh, I didn't even remember it until we were watching the is all Magicians do watch lots of videos and a Mark Wilson. I was like, I seen that guy before. And he goes, do you have where? I said, I told him where, and then he did a show in up, came that trick. And I was like, Oh my God. And it just brought it all back to me. So it was really cool to make that full circle.


Graeme Reed: That's really incredible. That's that's such a weird, um, TV, uh, uh, concept of playing the American tape. That's so that's so strange. I have a bunch of those VHS mix tapes in my basement. I have every single world's greatest Magic tapes, all the Penn and teller specials. The Lance burdens, all those things from TV, uh, on VHS tape. Yet I still have those with the commercials and everything, because you know what, it's hard to, you could find that stuff on YouTube, but it's hard to find that stuff now. Cause I was trying to find Felleston Jones, YouTube brought him up on that stream and I was like, that's his name? I can never remember his name, but I just remember the act, the fire shoulders and the cool, uh, all the, like, it was just such an impressive act. And I asked you actually, what he's up to, if he's still an actor performing, you said he's in photography, which if you have seen his act, make sense. So visual, it was so visually impressive. Um, those VHS is they're going to a, you won't be able to watch them. You know that I know they're, they're not near magnets. They're okay. But with the tape disintegrates, you know what happened? I had hundreds, literally hundreds of tapes, all the whole Daniels, all those specials when you rewind them, the tape separates from the little wheel to be careful when you rewind and then yeah, yeah, yeah.


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Something else for you to worry about.


Graeme Reed: I didn't know. My VHS tapes. I've COVID-19 too. Thanks. Jeff um,


Jeff & Tessa Evason: We've gotten out of the cup copied over and it's just awesome. So I guess we lose yours. We probably have it. Just ask us,


Graeme Reed: Let's finish it here because we're all not fortunate enough to go to Tannen's Magic KIPP camp with all these teenagers and cool kids. You have performed with so many Magicians I've had the opportunity to perform with you as well. You have performed and experienced so many different styles and how Magicians present themselves. And to be honest, I've only worked with like a handful of Magicians, but you two are the ultimate pros when it comes to, even if you look at your website, like the graphic presentation or tech writers, all the downloads, um, is there one thing, one common mistake that all Magicians you see constantly kind of make something that we should all be working on a little harder, interacts, like a common kind of thing that you too, when you're in the car after a gig or like, you know, that happened again. I think as I've always thought, uh, when I wanted the term pro is to, I think just do material that isn't being overdone by every other Magician because it's easy to follow the leaders in Magic to, to see somebody do something


Jeff & Tessa Evason: And then you want to do that trick and you want to do it the exact same way. Surprisingly, I still see an awful lot of that. You know, you're, you're, you're a person you're Magician who does very unique material. I've noticed that from the first time we worked with you at that little Toronto venue that we did. And then now in watching you, um, you get it you're, you're trying to develop something that is unique and it's a character you have in your materials. She used to be for The. What I'm seeing is different. So, you know, whatever it is, you take something old and make it new again. I think one of the things I see often is that the entertainer disability, Netflix, the audience, maybe they're not looking at them that they're not, they're not listening to what that audience member is saying, because maybe they're busy getting to the next moment of their performance.


And they may have just missed a great opportunity either to Adlib or just to acknowledge the person. So when you sort of ignore what they say or what they do, it's as if that person is not important, even though they might be right on stage with you or in the audience where people can see that. So, so you, so in that moment, you kind of people sort of disconnect from you also because they're like, Oh, well you don't give a crap about me. Cause you know, I just said something you act like, I didn't say anything. Now you do have to be careful because of course you don't want to deal with the heckler. That's really takes a lot to understand how to deal with them. But one thing I think that is changing that, that weakness that we may have because we're so busy performing our effect, uh, that we forget about who we're performing for is, uh, the virtual world has you do have to pay attention to them.


Every it's really slowed down. It's more about a conversation. I think a lot more entertainers, not just the Magicians and mentalist, they're getting the practice of really connecting with their audience. And I think when I seen a couple of people go back to a life, very limited light show, you can see a little bit of that difference happening it's as if they're still doing a virtual show live. So it's actually interesting to see that transition kind of like back to live. We're just going to be our patient. We all different, still been working a virtual show, trying to do it live,


Graeme Reed: Just going to keep breaking the fourth wall the whole time, just talking, just talking to everybody in the audience instead. But it's this virtual Magic is a lot, like I think Chris pill's worth talked about it on, I don't know if it was our interview or on discourse in Magic he did the podcast circuit, but he mentioned


Jeff & Tessa Evason: That this is a lot like kids TV. Now


Graeme Reed: Remember you'd have like a puppet almost, or even just someone else there. You have the advantage of there's two of you, but there would be like, say some, another character in animated creature. Like if it was blues clues and there


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Or something, but these,


Graeme Reed: These presenters on TV always had to


Jeff & Tessa Evason: Engaged, like no one really there,


Graeme Reed: You know? So it is a neat time. It is a neat time. Um, I feel like I've taken up so much of your time tonight and I know time is the most precious thing. Uh, I appreciate you to coming on our podcast, uh, and sharing so much knowledge with everybody. Um, Tessa and Jeff thank you so much. Thank you for having us. We really loved it.


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