EP 18 : Instagram and General Business Tips for Magicians

EP 18 : Instagram and General Business Tips for Magicians

On episode 18, hosts Ryan Joyce and Graeme Reed (aka Graemazing) share the latest magic news, cruise ship stories, Graeme's Magic Trick Review, an Instagram challenge and general business tips for magicians.


Episode 18 | Magicians Talking Magic

Hosts Ryan Joyce & Graeme Reed


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Audio Transcript For the Hearing Impaired


Ryan Joyce: Welcome to episode 18 of Magicians Talking Magic. My name is Ryan Joy's magic has been a full-time career for the last 20 years and this is.


Graemazing: Graemazing and I am a recent full-time pro. My first career was working in television specifically as a graphic artist. It's episode 18. We're here. It's episode 18. I can't, but that's two away from 20. That's two from 20 episodes of this crazy project that we started. I guess.


Ryan Joyce: We are almost an advent calendar.


Graeme Reed: We are, yup. Ooh. Do you remember advent calendars growing up? Do you still do it?


Ryan Joyce: Still do it actually, yes. My, that's like the one Christmas gift that we get is little chocolate care. Yeah. Advent Calendar.


Graeme Reed: Oh, did you ever, we had one that was Playmobile growing up.


Ryan Joyce: That was, what?


Graeme Reed: Do you know Playmobile? No, Playmobile is like Legos, a Swedish or something cousin. And it's, it's like a bigger, it's like a different kind of toy, but you would have a different box each day and it would build like a whole scene at a Playmobile characters and things. So there was like a hockey, this sounds fancy and I think my mom saw some of the pieces. She sets them up at Christmas time. That's really fun. And as we're approaching that, we are basically in Christmas season. You are currently on the high seas though. You are currently traveling a board? I sure am. I am so abroad


you're going to hear the cruise ships. Oh, it's just, it's plentiful


Ryan Joyce: cruise ships where I am at this point. You can smell the fog. Um, yep. I'm in the land of, of fake cheese and um, barely red tomatoes. Uh, and


sure I'll be for the next couple of days. I'm only here for like one show basically flying to the grand Cayman and uh, probably boarding the ship. I mean definitely boarding the ship that same day and doing a show and um, which went amazing, amazing show onboard here, celebrity reflection.


And Greg, have you done the show? Have you already done the show? Oh, absolutely. It was amazing. In fact, uh, I'm right here now outside on the dock. You're good.


Graeme Reed: You hear all the the applause. Oh, that's, that's where I'm sending effect.


Ryan Joyce: Uh, yeah, there's an amazing show. Absolutely. Without a doubt. And there's like a people,


but it was amazing show. Now the thing to track the ships is they're always really well attended. Like the shows are always super, you know, 1300 seats is like the average on this class set. I'm going on this class of celebrity cruise and it's just awesome. You know, the theater stunning. It's like a full balcony, professional theater, professional crew, full video, the size of the stage, just awesome. So we do feel treated it, you know, it's always been about the travel. That's the hardest part is never ever, ever, ever been about the ship and the performance in the audience. It's just, the travel is just so soul sucking.


Graeme Reed: But you lucked out with some really nice flights this time, didn't you? You got some really lovely flights. Yeah.


Ryan Joyce: I got upgraded to 28 D, which is, I'm not quite an ILC, but uh, yep. And uh, I, my elbows only got bumped by the car two or three times. So I think I got at least 45 minutes of sleep in those four days. So yeah, it was a good flight. Um, yeah. You know, the part that I look forward to most, uh, let me think about this part. They look more to most is, um, well it's always nice when you close the door after doing the show and you're like really content that it went well and all that hard work and the travel was worth it. That's my favorite part, the part that I absolutely hate the most without a doubt, without a doubt. And like I was like close my eyes and give myself a little internal hug. It's that part when I dropped the car off and go to the park and fly and get in that cold, miserable trolley that they call a bus to the airport at Oh four in the morning with your luggage.


And it's just, Oh, once I get to the airport or to Seaver and that little bit better, it's just that 10 minutes if it's just that Pearson airport it ignorance that Pearson report is a nightmare, that place is a nightmare. Yeah. And so that's, that's the part that I'm really getting very exhaustive because like, uh, this isn't like year one or two. The third first 13 years of my life were spent tr driving, you know, like I've crisscrossed across this thing so many times and, and never really having like permanent roots. Like I couldn't ever have a dog for the last 20 years. And that I feel like when you know that you can't plant something or take care of something, it starts to, it just starts to become, um, a bigger mountain than it was 10 years. It's a,


Graeme Reed: it's a crazy lifestyle that you lead. Um, you have traveled a ton like Donna, you've been all over the place, right from, uh, like you've done Australia, you've done Alaska, you've basically been to all corners of the glove. Do you have, uh, and travel shipyard, even if travel hack tips or, um, uh, or do you have speakers shut off? I mean, the screws ship was on mute there for a minute. Yeah. You know, one of those secret tips for like a cruise ship performer now or someone starting like that one thing like Ooh, you know what you never think about. Do you have one of those or two of those?


Ryan Joyce: Yeah, let me think. Okay. Well the one is just um, it shows a level of my OCD but also it's just general practice. Always travel with those Dan damn hand sanitizer, wipes, always, always, always and wipe everything down. So when I get to the airplane, I know it's not much of a hack, but like the first thing I do and I look like that crazy guy, but I wipe everything that I'm going to possibly touch down cause I don't want to get sick. And then when I get to the like the room and I wipe the key stuff down because you never know that the person behind you had, cause it's a revolving door and you don't know what conditions you're on when you get on the ship. It could be code, you know, like a higher illness rate. So anyways, I always just wipe everything down because then at least I can say it wasn't my due diligence, it was something I came in contact and um, you know what?


I think it's important. This is a general security blanket. I always travel with some sort of form of cash. I know there's people out there that just travel with a credit card and that's it. But boy, Oh boy. I would think it would be important to travel enough to be able to secure myself into a hotel or maybe get myself out of a sticky situation pretty fast if I, um, yeah, that's my kind of general rule. But I don't really travel too many crazy destinations much anymore. But still there's some parts of the, you know, even the Caribbean and South America, you go, that's a little out of the norm of what we've expect in our comfort zones. I remember flying to India the first time and just being I, me, Kendra and I got in the taxi at some point after feeling threatened multiple times and just thinking we were literally on our way to being shot.


Like it was just, that's, so that would be the other one is D is a little bit of education back then. We didn't have the same, like you don't have the same access to all of this information that we do now, thanks to the internet. But um, awareness is key. We've, I've heard horror stories of people flying to different places and just be denied at the border. And even in Alaska on the cruise ships, there was horror stories forever that the Canadians were getting turned away because, I mean, technically speaking, the ship is docked in Juneau, Alaska till 1159 and technically the show is at 7:00 PM 9:00 PM. So technically, I mean, there's all of these little


Graeme Reed: things and those damn Canadians.


Ryan Joyce: Yeah. So I mean, the truth is the part of a travel is it just never fails to surprise you. So if you're like me and you're having anxiety about it all, then it just try to remember like you can't control it all. You can't, you just can't. There's always going to be something always.


Graeme Reed: Yeah. So, uh, enjoy those travels. Here I am in the ship yard in the middle of grand Cayman and it's a beautiful day. Um, but these damn ships are so loud. It's a noisy day out there today, but it looks fantastic. I mean it's awful. And snow and cold here back is it. And you're doing shows tonight. Your, your between your sets. Yeah, I'm in between. Uh, well currently I have a little bit, I'm just on the tail end of a cough that had been battling for like a little bit of a week. Did a bunch of shows it, hold on.


I'm pretty sure I caught it from Peter from like episode 10 or something of this podcast from his magic live cough. But um, yeah, we are in the middle of our de magic. We just did a show last night, headlining Chris Mayhew. Hilarious, hilarious, hilarious. Uh, I get to see Chris, uh, well, I don't know, months and months or years ago at Majay Fest he got a standing ovation for the same act. So it's cool that he's finally brought it back cause he did slight hiatus. Um, and these shows are to magic are put on by Toronto magic company. These guys are doing lots of great things in Toronto, putting on tons of shows. So many shows they've inspired even guys like Scott and myself to throw our own shows, those secret shows and things like that. Uh, but yeah, it's hosted by Ben and Joan is also on the bill. Really great acts. I'm so lucky to be part of the whole.


Ryan Joyce: And you got featured on the Instagram. I saw that.


Graeme Reed: What was that? Sorry? You got featured on the Instagram. They showcased you or on Facebook. Oh yeah. So that's one huge part of, that's one part of I'm trying to, magic companies, they really put over all their acts, which is so cool to be part of the whole thing. Cause they will ho they showcase people like as the wind and the Eversons and um, so to be part of that whole scene makes all of us look really good. It's so, so it's great to be part of that. For those who haven't gone and experienced it, tell everybody about the venue, what's it like there? So it's at the super wonder gallery, which is super unique spot. Um, they have lots of crazy art installations all the time. The green room has to be the most interesting green room on the planet. Uh, there's often Donald Trump statues with penises and things like that and alien statues with penises and things like that and lots of sexual statues and uh, things.


Ryan Joyce: Uh, you can almost hear the lounge, right? Yeah, we speak, I we're about to go on stage shortly. I mean we're just hanging out back. If I can get Chris me, he went here. That'd be cool. Right. Maybe in the future. It'd be great to see him and tell him Ryan says hi. We'll see if we can get him Vern interview. Maybe we can do an interview sneak peak possibly a next week sometime. Get it on here. If I can snag one, we could be another. The room is incredible if you have not come up to our, to magic. This is such a cool spot. Cause they do, there's closeup magic and there's magical, like real magic art. I remember a YWCA by Nick Wallace originals at one show I did Winton. Wow. That's cool. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's, it's, I think one of the coolest things going on in the magic scene in Toronto right now is that art of magic.


How many people does the venue hold?


Graeme Reed: Ooh, I think it's a 60 ish, but then they, uh, they, I think they can open it up to more like they have the possibility to do standing room only when you pull the roof off that place you could easily fit like, yeah. Well they have drone backpacks when you come in. They have drone backpacks, so we could, sure there's, there's actually standing room and uh, airborne room as well. Flight room. Right. And those people for like the jet eyes from the star Wars with the packs, those guys are always there to, with the lasers and stuff, right? They, yeah, those cards players, they're the guys that come and get the drone. They sleep overnight, uh, waiting for the drum backpacks cause there's only five of them, right? Yeah. And they take like three days to recharge. Terrible. It's hardly worth, it's all connected to sort of, yeah.


Dies after a time and it's like connected to Presto or something and when you swipe your card it doesn't always work. And then you got to open up the app and it doesn't scan unless the brightness has just right. So many complaints with these whole drone backpacks, but it's like the, the wave of the future. Somehow they pass all those flight laws, uh, to fly a drone. But they did it. Yeah, but you just can't take pictures otherwise. It's a drone. It's a, yeah. Deliver food. You know what's fascinating though, but super winter gallery here tonight, backstage, I didn't know this was back here. There's actually this cruise ship model here and it has some sort of like, it has sound effects with it. Do you want to hear it? Pain and suffering. You know what?


Ryan Joyce: This is the, okay, maybe this is what it all boils down to. The very first time I ever boarded a cruise ship ever, ever. Very first time it was in Quebec City. So it wasn't even like a crazy far flight. And I was joining in the middle of a cruise. It was a two week cruise. I didn't know what the middle of a cruise meant at the time. I didn't even have any idea that everyone was already there for seven days and they would be way more experienced than I at this point in life. It would be fine. So I get into the ship not knowing a damn thing and I get into my room and


aye,


I know they always talk about how light the walls are on ships. But um, the neighbors beside me must've just hated themselves and just hated each other so much and I didn't like it really was a thing. And they fought for the whole week that I was there and I didn't know like at the time, like maybe I should say something because I just presumed that the walls are super thin. And so that was where I left it. But truth be told that that was like not the norm at the time. So my first experience to crew's life was like a week of these people beside me just screaming and crying and yelling. And when you there would you ever see them call and they were the happiest people on the planet? Was it that kind of people? I never did ever see them. I was at the beginning of my days, I was so terrified to leave the room.


And like for the first time is in the winter we were in the Caribbean and stuff. I never like would even leave the ship. I was too terrified about it. Just shows you like a, that's the, yeah, I'm terrified to miss or re you know, left behind. So I didn't, uh, I didn't wander out forever. I've never had a close call in all those days. Ever had a close call. Have you heard of these? Like worst, does that happen? Oh, all the time. All the time. Not by crew usually or you know, like crew usually has an earlier time, uh, us guest entertainers and such. We are guests status usually depending on the ship. So yeah, uh, definitely the one that jumps to my mind is, was my friends had, their friends came on board and it was like a free cruise for these people.


And it was in Skagway, Alaska and they, yeah, they just totally missed the ship completely. What happens then? Oh, the air. Their responsibility, yeah. To get home and get, Whoa. All their luggage. Like we'll get like, Hey, I'll have to pay to get it all out. And uh, that's a bummer. Yeah. Can you imagine, and you know what the craziest of all the stories I think that I've heard is, um, well actually I remember once getting on this, this was in Miami I believe. And like right within the right as we're about to sailaway a huge fight in the lounge downstairs. And they, they kicked the guy off the ship and she was still there, so she had a whole cruise without him. Yeah. So I have a plank that they shimmy out off the edge of the boat and they may kind of do it's steel. It's, well, I mean, it's, yeah, they have a, but it's not a plank. It's certainly more like a ramp, but yeah.


Did they make a scene out of it with like a sh, like a town crier and all that sort of stuff?


Yeah, yeah,


yeah. The captain comes down, they strip them all of their clothes, meet some beats, his wife as he takes his final steps up, bode the S S minnow Lake, they still have like a full buffet for the event. It's catered. It's, yeah, there's a string band. There's a band, you know, like a strings band playing his sendoff and everything is smash a champagne. Little kids are throwing stones and shells, beat shells that they've collected on the vacation is one of those lyrics. It's doing well. I'm like, yeah. Exotic gym work around a hoop. That sounds like a lot of fun. What the hoop work? The whole show of like someone getting kicked off a cruise ship. I hope that happens again. Yeah, it's really, um, maybe a little less dramatic when it actually happens, but um, that's, there is some vibrancy to it. I'm sure to be honest.


It's all very, very low key. Uh, and kept very, very professional. That's the one probably about the cruise ship industry for sure is they definitely are corporate to the tee and way more professional than removing a sportscaster off the television. Moving along to the, Oh, whose joke was that? That thought that was the best joke. This is all for our Canadian friends at fabric land shares tanked. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah. Uh, two, uh, differences in there. Uh, this goes to our Reddit topic of the week. Each week we check out Reddit to see what is trending. And we talk about it right here on magicians talking magic and this about it. Yeah. This is like, well, I mean Reddit is just like tippy, like a ch typing. Why not bread it as like eggshells? So it's better to talk about it here in the public where we can't be hurled. Would you not think though, as we look through that magic Reddit feed, it's pretty friendly and supportive. Yeah. No, it is, but resonance is a miserable, miserable environment. It's a miserable bitch as you would say. It's a miserable bitch. That's right. Yep. Um, but so this weekend read it, we saw this cool topic, which is, um, practice how you plan to perform. And this was posted by Mike brah 93.


How do you, do you read post snaps snaps? If you're doing the dishes, just let them go. Take a knife, drop it on the floor. Please don't hit your feet or hit your feet. That's good luck. Make sure you're filming it. Parcel. Yup. There you have it. It's um, a good post.


It's a real good post on the red. It's because, um, well do you do this when you rehearse, how prepared do you get for your,


I think I do everything but full dress rehearsal I guess, if that makes sense. So like I'll set up everything in my basement, which is an unfinished basement and I just go to town, I will just play and have fun and make a huge mess and I'll come up with ideas and I'll just try to make like, cause I have all these, everything is down there and my basement, all the magic and the crafts. So if I have to fabricate something, grabbed the glue gun, some cardboard or foam cord, whatever's nearby and some scissors and just go to attend to like, does this even make sense? Does that make sense? And then


it's a magic emergency wizards who galore? Kraus? Yes. Sorry. I just did my heart attack. Yeah. Yeah. Quick. It's a magic emergency. Shum buddy needs job. Nevermind.


All right. Um, um, but yeah, so I do all that stuff in the basement. I do. And uh, I don't record it. I should just in case that like that one time when I jammed a nail for real and my hand, I didn't get it. Like Darren Brown did. Do you do this? What do you do for as long as you do? I kind of want to ask you, I've never asked you, cause you do illusions like you have that has to take dude did. Yeah, but like even that has what goes into that even


well, okay. So I always start that with the music for sure. And then I, since I have no movement capability whatsoever, I definitely rely early on too with someone that knows how to move. They don't even necessarily have to be a dancer. They can be someone that understands theater. Um, like two guys in a truck moving, they're great choice for this hundred percent. Yeah. I, these guys came by, they were moving my fridge and like legit, I was like, Hey guys, I want to float this girl. What do you think I should do after I passed the hoop over at her? And they were like, well, when we float this Maytag, um, they always point their toe just to indicate I don't know what this, I don't know.


That'd be great if the, that'd be the plants the plants guy had that I had just had a new washer dryer installed and I should've asked them all those steps. It's like, Oh, why are you pointing your toes? Is that,


yeah, exactly. And those, yep. Metal work boots, which is always great to dance on stage and metal work boots. Right. That's um, yeah, I don't fully do, I guess I see that my show is so fixed now, but if I were to do a new piece, I would feel like I would try to resemble as much to the state that I would be in as possible. So I would also do run around the room or in around the house and do quicker breathing and try to level my anxiety guess to some point, um, just to resemble state and then go in that frame of mind rather than, um, like a very relaxed or non show state, which is very different at home than it is backstage. So that would be the only thing I would say like, um, I I is it important to put in this, you know, the same clothes and wore the shoes and the belt and everything? I don't know. Um,


Graeme Reed: maybe only if you have like certain loads or something that you have to do, right. I guess. I mean I'm sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah I have done it a couple times but I don't usually, I don't usually, but if I'm planning staging, cause you also want to know where your props are, like a pro, right? You want to be able to grab the prop where it is and know where it is and should always be there. Just like when you meet people and they ask for your business card and you just grab it like, yeah, here it is. Everything needs to be effortless. Like you don't think about it.


Ryan Joyce: I always think through where my stuff is going to go and like who they've got to sign something. So where's that going to be the left to right. Yeah. And I always, when I'm like show structuring, I always combine as much as possible so that like I can use the same person for two things or like it's just the most tedious thing on the planet is to watch someone get people out of the audience. There's just no entertainment value in it whatsoever.


Graeme Reed: You told me that you taught me a lot about this, about being um, resourceful with your audience members and not to, and also don't abuse your audience. Don't take advantage of them. Don't ask them to like applaud too much and things like that. Like be respectful. These are people. Imagine yourself in the audience what you would think. And even Eugene burger he's talked about, cause I just watched it, I've been talking a lot about Eugene burger, but he uh,


Ryan Joyce: I can't think of any phrases that he does where he forgot to fibroid. Right,


Graeme Reed: right. I just imagine slamming things down but yeah. Uh, yeah, but he talks about like, imagine you came to a dinner party and your friend was like that magic guy doing the quick one-liners and making fun of people and poking jabs and you went to the bathroom and you left your friends alone with this guy. They would be pulling their fricking hair out. How, like how fat and they would hate you for this. So you don't want to be that guy. You gotta always think about that sort of stuff. You told me a lot about that though too.


Ryan Joyce: I think that's part of the reason why I became so tainted for me actually the like magic after hours a would label it, you know, like there's work magic and then there's friends hanging out. I stopped taking a deck of cards to social situations like outside of high school because I mean by that point I was already aware that people were aware that those magicians are really annoying. I remember being at the cam convention just literally being on the center in the square stage and we'll now we're returning to the convention and having to use the urinal and having the guy beside me ask if I wanted to see a car trick in the urinal and that's amazing. That's amazing. It was just a lot. It was a lot. So I don't want to be that, so I don't, I anyways, I find the line to be really, yeah. And recently I actually took magic with me and I never ended up doing it, but it's been probably 15 years since I was like, I'm going to take something just in case.


Yeah. Well I think Justin Flom always talks about the idea of like if you're a really good magician, you're just always a little bit prepared. So just always have a little something on you. Lately. I've been at just curing my, we talked about last part, the bent coin thing that I do because all I need is the bent coin and the Sharpie marker in my pocket. Like the one for the thing. Yeah. And that's all you need. You don't even need a deck of cards, which is nice. And if I'm at a thing and someone asks me to do something, then the deck of cards needs to be there. And then I'll do a little, I can do 15 minutes, you know, 1520 minutes. That's all people need. They don't need any more than that. And then we're done. That's fine.


No, and I think, I guess the one takeaway of everything is, is everything that you prepare for, it's going to be way, should be way more concise in what it actually ends up being. Like when you end up executing it. And you should always tape it and listen to it. And you can't fast forward a damn moment of that recording because the moment you press fast forward is the same moment everyone else in the audience wishes they could press fast forward. So record your performances and listen to them all. And when they're torturous, that's where you should start. Um, but I know I had a more poignant point than that, but that, well, that's a really important fundamental, Oh, and that was it. Cut. You'll end up cutting so much when you watch yourself so much garbage. Just being, we all do it. It's like all of us. I had some Andrew and I remember I came to one of the shows and I had a phrase, everyone has a phrase when they don't know what to say. They say default and whatever yours is. If you're not aware that you're saying it, then you should be aware of it now. Instantaneously now. Yeah. For like, and then for five years straight. I would say wax D backs D like every third word. Yeah. Yeah. No, I uh, I used to always


say, let's kick it up a level. I would always say, let's take it up a level, which now conveniently enough, I claim myself as a level seven wizard. And, uh, also by doing that, it's removing, removing me from the, by saying we're going to take it up a level,


well in the audience, his first response is going to be, well, I'll be the judge of that. And then so half of them are gonna stay down on the lower level because you're trying to do something that they don't necessarily want to prove it. Magic boy, you know, like, I mean, and that's the thing is like our F that's just why I just find it so important to always be the high road. Always be the nicest person. I mean, not necessarily the nicest person in the room, but just the most interesting. Just, yeah, definitely the most interesting and never put anybody down.


That's awesome. Especially especially in almost a 2020 world. Oh my gosh. I mean look at the recent news going on in Canada right now. People are so narrow minded right now that we can get offended by anything so quick and then continue to get offended by anything related to it. So were very greatly reminded


and on the ship it's so, you know, it's just very, very professional. So I am squeaky clean. I have a couple lines that I can get away with it, maybe play the, the dance on that line a little bit, but really and truly like there's no tolerance for it. And I know friends that have had to cut parts of their show and parts of you know, lines and stuff because it's, it's a different, it's a different world and you might have your creative desires, but really it's always the clients when at the end of the day. So if you have to get adjusted, um, it, it, it might hurt a little bit, but the, the truth is we can, we really have to always be the cleanest and most


non threatening versions of ourselves. I think unless you're a girl, magic is your nightclub, dirty comic magician. Right? But for most of us, I think our goal of magic is to, you know, create magic, which is a positive thing. So you don't want to like be a heel as they would say in wrestling and have people against you, boo you, that doesn't make any sense unless you're a two man act and one guy's a bad guy. One guy's a good guy and the other person or person, girl, yeah, it could be a is a Victor in the whole thing, but that's not going to happen. No one has sophisticated shit like that, so. Right. Um, but yeah, I dunno. It's been happening a lot. I see a lot of magic even on stuff like Fewless where like those guys are, you can't be like that anymore.


And why are you like that? I w I, I think I grew up with false perspective thinking like, Oh, I'm 33 you know, I grew up in like a nice wherever and like a multicultural school, you know, everyone was pretty open minded. But then like, you start to see all these topics come up, like these political things going on, there's a lot of like hate going and you find out what some of these people are like racist and you're like, Oh everyone ever. And you're like, I didn't know I was. So I felt a little naive thinking that like, Oh, you know, as it's a general, we're going to, it's going to get better. But it isn't. It's a little weird still. So you've gotta be super squeaky clean and like, yeah,


it's so true. And we have very little room for error. And so I feel the magic industry has been very, very, very, um, safe and escaped a lot of the potential Mitsu S failures. Not failures against me too, but I mean like, you know what I mean? Let me do that again. There's, I think magic community has escaped a lot of the potential, you know, me too. Moments and, and disasters. So it's, it is something that has to be addressed. And you know what, this is why it's so great that our industry is widening in its perspective to see, you know, Lucy darling and, and you know, there's so many, uh, new faces and magic is with new voices is really, really helpful.


Well, yeah, and like in Kayla Drescher too, she's the other host of cesium and, um, even their podcasts has the message about they want to make their podcast no longer exist. Hopefully as they gain perspective.


I'm more open minded perspective. Um, so this was a long extended like discussion I think was a really good point. Uh, from Reddit. What do you think it was? Yeah, we have anything you wanted to add to that?


Uh, I don't have anything else to add, but it'd be cool to hear what our listeners think and if they have any comments post on our Instagram post that we will share. Uh, it'd be so interesting to hear from you as always, or slide into our DMS and shoot us a direct message, uh, asking us anything. Uh, it's always fun to hear who's listening. Um, I recently got a message, good message from my buddy Derek FOBO. He's not even a magician. He lives in Ottawa. He listens to the podcast on the regular. It's hilarious. Nice. Yeah. Margoles swell. Puggles welcome to the podcast. Um, so I guess that wraps it up for the red a topic. Do you want to move along to this week's magic review? Sure. Do. All right. This is this week's magic review. Each week we dive into the magic tricks that we legit own and we will review them.


Graeme Reed: Sometimes they're old hidden gem. Sometimes there's something new that just came out. Um, this is magic review this week I'm talking about David Macquarie's penguin live act. This is penguin magic, yet again. It's a download for sure. Whatever we are, we're not associated with penguin, but if they want to, you know, shoot us, hook us up, that's fine. Uh, but David McCrary live act, I don't know if everyone knows David McCrary. He's not one of those big name, like, you know, a huge name like a Williamson or something. I would say he has the name. He is the funniest. Um, penguin live for sure. And it's all very simple trick to like, it's very, it's all about being a comedic and humorous. I don't even think a lot of people could probably recreate his act like you don't, he shared how he does it, but you gotta be him to do his thing.


So it's more fun to see how he does it all. It's very low prep management, really clever ideas. He's got his own twist on some basic tricks and he does a, an incredible sponge ball with a squeaker like a Monte, like find the one that squeaks and it's based off a David Williamson idea and that whole routine, just watching it like this is worth the value of the whole thing. So that's awesome. If you, if you were into these live acts and these live lectures that you download and you missed this one, I think it came out earlier this year. David McCrary live is Tibi top hilarious and amazing. I would check it out for sure. I give it a, I would say I give it four and three quarters stars at a five. I don't know if I've ever done a star review on these things yet, but I'm going to start and that gets four and three quarters stars.


Ryan Joyce: Nice. And so what would you say it's predominantly closeup? Magic stage magic is a mix of blunder of them both.


Graeme Reed: This is a parlor act that he does probably for corporate audiences, so it's like a 30, 45 minute act. Um, and he's even got some footage from doing it at like some dinner events. Uh, so I think he's like alone. He's a local Ohio magician. You can bump into him sometimes at Fest. I know, I've only seen him and shaking his hand like once. Uh, super hilarious.


Ryan Joyce: You say the biggest takeaway from the penguin lecture would be, what would you say one of the biggest takeaways?


Graeme Reed: Um I think he never really talked a bit about being like his character and personality. Cause when you watch him perform and then watch him talk about his act, he's like most of us, right? We're all kind of like a little introverted and we're shy.


I think he never really talked a bit about being like his character and personality. Cause when you watch him perform and then watch him talk about his act, he's like most of us, right? We're all kind of like a little introverted and we're shy.


Ryan Joyce: when he sat at the kitchen table and the 89 year old grandmother ish figure comes over with their meatballs and like just squishes him in it. And it's nothing at all about, let me, it's just she's, you could just tell she's just seeing his face and that's all she's reading is magic about that. Is it about like watching and picking up people? Like be totally bewildered? Is that what it is?


Graeme Reed: I think so. A little bit of it, right. I always think about it too. Like why do I enjoy this as the control aspect? You're in this weird control of this moment. It is a need situation is always in control. I've heard Penn talk about it too. It's a very like, especially a closeup magic is one of the most, um, like, like intimate things that you can do to someone cause you just bump up to someone and they're in the middle of the conversation and be like, can I share some magic with you? And then right away you're sharing like this thing that you've learned, you spent so much time working on right into it for a quick moment. The met every possible level, every core is based on lies, it, which is lovely theatrical lies. I guess. It's kind of like cheap standup comedy in a way though too, right? Like chiefs like can't stand up. Comedy is magical because through just words, it creates amazing laughter and it can build you up and up and up. And if you get it right, you can cry a little and then continue laughing and all this sort of stuff. And magic in a way, does that, I mean it's a different emotion. You're not laughing. Some people will laugh from it, but what are like that shock and on astonishment and like that?


Ryan Joyce: See, it all boils down to do kids in our childhood experiences really. And truly everything always does. So this is like that pouring in your life when you look at the world and total awe. And that's what magic does. And it's dead after age of four. And so we get the joy of being able to like rekindle this first. Probably one of the first experiences, emotions that we ever experienced has gotta be wonder. It's, it must be. And for like most, I would say maybe pain and some confusion, but right. And for most of us, it's all Santa Claus, right? Yeah. But even like going back to like the nerve, like generation, like the very beginnings of life, like I mean like, like looking around and having no idea about anything. Right. And everything would have been magic at that point. Totally. We were like, rekindle that. How I, I dunno, I feel like it's important for all magicians to check in with that, including myself. This was like a re this is maybe like a morning salutations. Morning magic salutations with magicians talking magic. Remember you're trying to impart the experience of not make your guests feel like idiots or morons special or dazzled. Give them an experience that enriches their souls and helps them realize that anything's possible.


Graeme Reed: Hmm. You're in like full hip, no mode. Yeah. And now you're a chicken. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I don't know. And that all comes down to scripting too, to get them more power out of your magic, to build up these moments that were probably really all secretly desiring. Right. And when you, um, if you record yourself and through all that practice and even like it's been said before too, you got to find somewhere to be terrible. Uh, you do that, you remove all those weird statements that don't even matter or mean anything and you'll even do it in your, don't be afraid to silence, right? And you don't have to always direct people all the time. Like I'm like, Oh, do me a favor. And that's like a whole bunch of crappy words that don't mean anything, right. Just be direct about what you're saying.


And that will also make the magic more powerful. Cause also realize the people you are performing to. We're an iPad generation and everything and a phone generation, that phone is like just on their lap or whatever, you know. So true. So be direct and things like that. I started, I used to do body taps all the time, just as like as I had address people like, Oh and I talked to them or something. Um, I don't anymore because it's a weird time. So I now do like Reiki taps. So I just have the hand energy that cover every tab. It's a hover. It's a Kiana Reeves tap. Yeah. Yeah. There's no touching, no touching, no touching. Um, all right, well I don't know how we got there. We were, we kind of drove the bedroom. Oracle


Ryan Joyce: are very deep, not metaphorical. That's very deep for this episode. I mean we still, I want to chat about one thing before we wrap though because, Oh, we're not wrapping up some magic review. We got there from the magic group. Oh thank goodness. Cause um, there's things to learn about Instagram and um, I would like to learn about them, but I know I want to learn to, yeah. Um, so let's, um, let's impart their wisdom that we know and I, I mean I know I would go to Mount, I don't struggle with the knowledge of how to use Instagram. I struggle with finding my voice in Instagram because the secret to Instagram is to have a common theme and consistency. And I do too many weird things to really have like one thing, like I don't take pictures of coffee cups, ranch all over the board and yeah, I never know if mine's doing it minds a little lot of heavy promo


and I think I should be doing more or less promo on mine. I probably, but um, and I did recently, I was on vacation so that we had a lot of fun photos from that. But a lot of the time I really am just, uh, working on my, on promotion, so I'm not sure. Like, I dunno, sitting on a computer is not that interesting. It is a little tricky, uh, to figure that out. But now we have this podcast to share, which is fun. That's new, interesting content. And we're going to start doing a, we're going to hopefully have a new Instagram account for this podcast too soon. I'm sure we've made some decisions. There's going to be some, yeah, this is real. This is real news of change of broad new ideas. Jew magicians masterclass tonight on magicians masterclass. Oh no, sorry magician. Forget it. Fail. It was close. But yeah. So Instagram, what have you learned new things that you want to share? Or are you trying well,


okay, let's imagine in a perfect world that I knew who I was talking to on Instagram and I knew my niche. I would have one to four posts a day. I would keep all of my captions, um, nice and positive and suited to the rest of my tone in everything else that throughout. And I would put my hashtags, Oh, plenty in the first comment. Um, I would engage with others. I would comment on their posts. I would like their things. I would,


so you don't put, you put the hashtags in the first comment. You don't do the.dot. Dot. Hashtag thing. Is that the right way to do that? Um, I don't think you know, it, it's just as long as


like the hashtags are really just tethered to the post rather than like having any geographical kids like the doesn't need to necessarily be in the first, in the title tag or the description. It can be in the comments and it's still regs it in the same category. Yeah. So yeah, there's no stress. And at least to my knowledge and understanding of Instagram, it doesn't matter. There's no weight and if it comes in the post, but I would still like probably, I don't know. Do you put hashtags?


Yeah, I do put in a post. So I heard somewhere and I don't, I never know if any of this stuff is real. Cause I always hear different things. But I heard, um, I like in the threat that comment, like if you're in a location, so you hashtag it as you're talking about it. Like tonight I'll be in hashtag Burlington, uh, performing tableside restaurant magic. And then sometimes I'll do the.dot, dot thing and you hit enter and then below so you don't see, it will be a couple of hashtags. And I heard not to litter it with too many thirties. The number you get, that's the number you get. Does it matter if you do more or less? Do you know? It will reject after 30, I believe. Okay.


But it doesn't matter. Like, it's not like, Oh, if you do five, this post will be more popular than if you did 10 then it's going to push it down cause you're trying to be a, an Instagram slow know the secret to the popularity is not in the post. Um, it, it's in this or is not in the hashtag. It's in the selection of the hashtag that you choose. If you say magician, you're never going to get any traction because 48,000 magicians posts a day on the magician and hashtags. So find another one that you can rank. That's how that's gonna work and that little more unique and specific and but people at one that still people follow unless you can create a one, create your own, right. You can create your own trending thing. Yeah. But also like you said, latching onto geographical or location ones, theirs is also beneficial too.


And stories, which I love. I just, like you said, when I'm a home like that, I'm not really doing anything that's super exciting on the ship. I can hit stories all the time. It's super easy because a, I've got nothing else to do, but B, there's always something to look at. Where is here. Wow, this is, so I guess those are the hurdles each and every one of us are facing and I'm not winning the Instagram hurdle currently I'm at 1200 well let's do this. Do you want to, do we want to have challenges to each other or something? Should we have a little, I guess to like increase a little, we're going to start a whole new account here as soon too. So there's going to be a whole bunch of stuff. So my current following what I have, I think I have 843 followers. That's awesome. I feel shameful because I've been probably had an Instagram account while you're longer than you. I've got 12 uh, 1,263 not 12,000 1,263 which I feel like I'm like on Facebook I've got like 18,000 and on YouTube I've got like almost 9,000 but Instagram I face, I don't, I'm trying to, I got to get out of Facebook. I don't, it seems more and more useless every day.


Well, except for from a marketing, like it's a good marketing situation, but it's just like, I just, it's awful. Yeah. The video is useful. That's the only thing but you have to pay. It's only, it's pay to play. Just like Instagram is now becoming paid to play. Like without a doubt, everyone's reached. It's already been crippled. Well that's the same as Facebook, so yeah. Yeah. So, so I have, do you want to 1263 so what are we going to, are we proactively, okay. I'm going to make a I here by proclaim, let's do the magicians talking magic. We're going to try real hard to shut our best on my hand. I just shoved my hand up a dove. Yeah. And I just slammed my fingers inside the middle of a flame book. Nice. Yup. Now I'm going to open the flame on, on, on.


Oh, I


all right. Sorry. I just had to get that out. Um, we shall do our very best ilist to increase our Instagram followings over the next month by Christmas. Does that sound okay? Yeah. Around Christmas time, new year's when we're chatting, hopefully our following has increased substantially.


Graeme Reed: Do we need a set number, like a hundred or 200 or what do we do?


Ryan Joyce: Oh, that's a big game. Are we also adding in our other account on this too? We currently have zero followers on our TBD account on our magicians talking. That doesn't even exist, but it will exist soon. So yeah, let's try and also let's do 200 we'll just try and do 200 a month. Do you think that's possible?


currently have zero followers on our TBD account on our magicians talking.


Graeme Reed: That doesn't even exist, but it will exist soon. So yeah, let's try and also let's do 200 we'll just try and do 200 a month. Do you think that's possible?


Ryan Joyce: I dunno. Yeah cause we don't know we're going to do yet. We'll talk about it as we go. It'll be like a case study, a live case study. We're going to have a couple of these things cause we have some news that we're going to be breaking eventually and some of this is pretty big news too. Like this isn't like teensy weensy we've got some fun little connections in the works and lots of little things are going to be happening. Then you guys are going to want to know guys and gals, pardon me. You're going to want to know all about it. So how they should do that is to follow us on Instagram and, and keep,


that's going to be, that's going to be ultimate new source for all this um, magicians talking magic stuff cause it's all going to be changing. We're putting more time into it. It's not just a plug for a while. Magic festival. It is still continuing. It's episode 18. I mean using Instagram is really a probably good business practice these days and a lot of us proud. Like I know myself, we all need to be doing better in our business strategies this week we kind of just want to close off the episode talking a little bit about uh, how to do have better business habits, how to have better business habits. Um, I am uh, I am awful. I'm a graphic artist, certain background. So I work from, I luckily now have this app called wave. So I do my invoices through this wave app. Um, so it handles all my invoices and I can see all my bookings through that. It's not good client management software though, don't have that.


That's still an all my email and like hand notes, my schedule. I don't even do Google calendar because I'm old school and I still do pen and paper or the real schedule to hold it and see it and my receipts and all my paperwork is literally in an Amazon box beside the desk here for the whole year. That's how I operate. I'm the, I like full reveals ease. Oh, I'm terrible. I did too. I'm okay. So my little changes or additions to the, I do separate and measure receipts now. Finally after being nagged by my accountant and friends for probably 16 years, I now finally walk in the door and I've got three receipt piles. One is personal on his business and the other was Oh wow. So, uh, I don't have to think or have any more work outside of it on the end of the year with just my accountants or my business receipts or in one stack.


And that's the thing about accounting and general business practices is it's all about micro little decisions in the short term that save you billions and billions of hours in the longterm. I only say that because I've read it 45,000 times. I don't live that philosophy or I'm trying to live that philosophy and I have noticed great changes because I have because of doing that. So yeah. Um, other things I, I would say just to add to yours, Wix actually has incredible invoicing as well and tethers all that. Yeah. Believe it or not. And it shows you on your main screen, your, your revenue and all that. So it does auto send and rescind and reschedule and, but wave has a wave, has an app that you can take photos of your receipts and categorize them. So it does all your accounting. Does it have that? Yeah. Oh, I would keep way for receipts and things.


I have that as well. But, um, I V for invoicing, for actual invoicing, you can accept payments through it and everything just the same you can with, but it also has the customer management site that might be useful. I should go to that and I just found out about it for a while. So yeah, I thought that was really, um, uh, beneficial. Yeah. Little little tidbit that I'll start using even more. But we talked about, yeah, and since we talked about blogs last time I've been doing more blog posts. Wix makes that super easy to do a blog post and I use Canva to do my graphics, which is super easy. I'm actually using that more than Photoshop these days, which is kind of hilarious. Yeah, it came to that makes it easy. And it is because of with all the templates and things, it's super, super handy. So. Yep. Yeah, those are some general, I think just general handy ones. I mean we can't, there's too many variables of course in everyone's business, but those are some like general PR. I would love to know what everyone else has. So when we get our Instagram up, I mean it's already up now and I'm almost going to be home from this cruise ship soon, so


yeah. And I have to get on stage here soon. In order to magic, I might be able to pull Chris may or Jonah Babs or Benzie train for your quick Chatzky and maybe there's other magicians here too. I haven't, I haven't seen out in the audience appeared through the curtain.


Yeah. You were blinded by all those those lie. Oh, you're not, I thought you were between shows. Oh, you're just, Oh, right. Yeah.


Graeme Reed: Chosen backstage right now with the Donald Trump, uh, statue. Um, uh, so yeah, I think that's all good, better business stuff. It'd be great to hear your comments or if you have resources to on things you suggest, maybe books, podcasts, uh, even website resources. I know there's so many different online tools. What do you use? Uh, we mentioned wave and Wix. Do you have another app that you might use that maybe doesn't start with a w there's your challenge of the week, the magicians talking magic challenge of the week. Do you have a business app that doesn't start with a w w WWE? Ah, they're not giving us any money for that. Um, I guess that kind of wraps it up for this episode. If you like these episodes, make sure you're sharing them with your other magic friends. Uh, I dunno. Do you think this is neat what we do?


You're still listening I guess, or you just found out about it, but please like and share it. Leave reviews on those apps that you can leave reviews. I think that helps at the podcast stuff. We're all figuring this out. Um, if you are a Looker for more content that we have put together, you gotta check out magic-masterclass.com for so many more incredible blog posts. You put these full feature blog posts together though creativity, anything that we've talked about on the podcast here, you can check out so much of the stuff from the festival on there. Even our festival recap, magic library cap on there as well as the full on Michael close master class where if you are interested in applying for full us, you would be a fool as they would say for not getting this. It's got the insider scoop information to get kind of to really put together a great act if you want to be on lists. Um, and also on there is mystic pixel. We talk about her all the time here about upping your game, changing the image of magicians. It's all up to us so that we all don't look silly or anything like that. If you want to up your stock photo game checkout, mystic pixel, also available and magic masterclass. Joyce, do you have anything else to talk about and don't forget FISM a North American.


Ryan Joyce: Yeah, it's coming up in may so it gets your registrations now you can go to FISM and a 20 twenty.com. Check that out is going to be incredible. If you are interested in having a review, a critique of your website to help your website, maybe sell you better, gives you more bookings, make sure to comment on the post with your website. That's the indicator post. Uh, let us know that way. That's about all I've got.


Graeme Reed: Oh, it's been a great episode. Oh, you got one more? Yeah, one more. Our thing. If you've made it all the way to the of this episode, we want to know, so comment on our very first like Instagram post that we'll post for this podcast, the magicians talking magic podcast, comment on that Instagram post triple snaps, triple snaps, and then we'll know that you made it all the way through this episode. It'd be so fascinating to know who's actually listening to the whole thing. Anyhow, wrap it up.


Ryan Joyce: Loving that. This is episode 18 my name is Ryan Joyce.


Graeme Reed: My name is Graemazing.


Ryan Joyce: ShaBlazma


Graeme Reed: Tadoozle


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